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Originally Posted by Golfingworld

I think Dotty is realistic with some of the things he says.....much as I don't agree that Natal/NE Brazil has been extensively promoted, what he does do, like me is tell the real story and not the "Premiership Managers...let's take the positives out of this defeat".

The reality is that many of the over cooked positives about Natal area are between untruths and spin and these have been heavily debated here which is exactly what this site is available....then the unitiatiated buyer (which is most people) can make a valued judgement as to how where and why they might invest. In my view, he is realistic about Natal and I have seen and experienced similar things..what, for example is the definition of a "Third World Country", it is to us (allegedly) in the first world, somewhere where things don't quite work as we would expect and that there is a risk element, lack of protection and facilities that one would expect in our cherished first world. Brazil has a mixture of 1st 2nd and 3rd world from what I can see, but there is no doubt that petty crime is a problem all over and the more Gringos that go there there more it will increase the desire for a quick buck. What I have seen in NE Brazil is an apathy towards a real development plan (apart from Bahia) and so his ramblings on Natal are very valid in my view.

The reality is that as there was a lot of cheap land and close links to Europe the new European Property Conquistadores arrived 3/5 years ago then set about trying to convince all those that hadn't already invested in Murcia that Natal was going to be the next quick property off plan buck. They did this by carefully tailoring facts and alleged benefits such as airports, bridges, roads, etc etc....when people like myself or Dotty arrived on the scene we bacame like the little boy in "The Kings New Set of Clothes" (Danny Kaye..for those not old enough) whilst all the seller set about defending their poorly constructed positive story. The fact is, NE Brazil (which is all I know apart from Rio) is difficult, nowhere near as cheap as it seems, and certainly not moving fast into the first world of tourist destinations that all the sellers would like to claim. This is a flight thread and flights are key for overseas investors, logically, and there aint none regular or cheap...so it is going tocost youan arm and a leg to get there before you get mugged, raped or pillaged....and before you tenants folow you...that is the true story and Dotty isn't far off the mark..it's just that many don't wan to hear the negatives as it inhibits sales! End of story.

I think the major difference is that there are three types: and you only mentioned two. The third being the people that see how it is now (which I still say you and Dotty seem to not fully apreciate Brasil anymore) however they are convinced that the future is very promising and therefore worth investing in.

I place myself in that category.