Brazil Flight Information!!

[debzor]

I trust all you Northeast-Brasilophiles will be supporting Sport (from Recife) in the first leg of the final of the Copa do Brasil (Brazil Cup) against Corinthians (from Sao Paulo) tonight!

I will be at Sport's ground (Ilha de Retiro, Recife) next Weds night for the second leg of the final, but the price of the flights to Sao Paulo prevent me from being there tonight...!

Good luck, Sport..!!!

[robh]

Originally Posted by Dotty

Recife is an International connection route,so obviously flights go in and out more frequently,but Natal has far fewer flights because the demand is not there at the moment and the prices way O.T.T even the Fly Brasil NL ! The Brussels route from the UK takes 24 hrs total and not practical,but if you live and work in Brussels then great! Even if you fly with TAM you have to go South Before you go further North.Tap is great ,but 1,000 stering per person.16 hrs total flying and waiting time in Lisbon still an expensive route.

Actually demand is there, if it wasn't then the flights that go there wouldn't be so expensive and I haven't seen the really good deals like you used to get 3 years ago in the off-season (i.e. £175 return) for a long time. I still have yet to catch a plane to Natal that is empty or even half full.

Why don't you go with Arkefly? Last time I looked they are charging £600 for mid-july and the times are perfect for catching a connection from/to the UK.

[robh]

Here are some pictures of the airport. This site was created by Sunnyshores for the Zen Project. Your Beach Villa at Top Location in Touros Natal RN Brazil

It looks like the runway is nearing completion which is the hardest bit to build. Runways take about 2 to 3 years to build as you need to ensure that each layer has dried evenly, is stable and level before the next one is laid, otherwise a plane weighing 100 tons and doing 150 mph is going to rip it to shreds. So once this is in place the rest should be easy

[JMBroad]

Originally Posted by Golfingworld

Actually, I never said the new airport on Natal "would never be built" what i said was that it is irrelevant to claim that there will be a massive influx of flights just because they build a new airport. The issue is as discussed above "open skies" and not whether there is a new terminal. If I remember correctly Mr Broad it was you that claimed the existing airport in Natal was at full capacity and inferred that once the new one opens the coast is clear for a flight boom. Just as the claims that it will take the new A380 Airbus, which are also ridiculous for reasons already given.

I detect that after 12 months on this site fighting the spin and hype put over by those with a vested interest, wild and assumptive claims are now somewhat diluted compared to then.....why, because history has unfolded and reality has arrived in the overseas/offplan property market. In brief, people are no longer mugs and willing to believe the hype. This flight thread is proof of that..12 months ago you'd have thought there was almost a regular shuttle running into Natal and by 2009 the new airport would be clogged with A380's full or short term rentals....now we know the real story....long live reality!

1) I don't "claim" that the existing airport is at full capacity, I've provided irrefutable proof on several occasions that the Natal airport is not only operating OVER 100% capacity but that the other 3 main airports are all also either operating at OVER capacity or very close to 100% capacity. And yes, considering recent historical evidence with regards to increments in passenger arrivals following expansions of airports in comparable regions in the Northeast of Brazil, I am of the opinion that once the new airport is built, Natal should see at least three times the current number of passengers visiting the area compared to this year. But you know this as I've repeated it on numerous occasions, as well as providing factual proof to support my claims. You have yet to provide a single shred of factual evidence to support your "nope, won't be built" theory. And although I'm not 100% sure, I'm pretty sure that you did say somewhere that you didn't believe it would be built, but I don't have the time or patience to go through old posts and find it.

2) You still try and claim the fact that you were the voice of reason who drew back the veil of doubt covering the construction of the new airport and that you did everyone a great service by doing so. Once again, go back to the start of this very thread. The facts about the airport were made clear on here way before you even joined the forums. If you think that more or less agents in Europe now say that the new airport in Natal will be built by 2009 and will be the largest in the world you are mistaken, there are still many websites which make that claim, just as many as did when you came to this forum to repeat what we'd already been discussing for months, yet with claims that you were the only one who knew "the truth". History has not "unfolded" and "reality" has not "arrived" in the overseas/offplan market, it's always been here... you may have only just realised it. What has happened, and I'm glad to see it, is that you are finally catching up with others on this forum and finally starting to understand what we are talking about. If it seems to you that you were running faster than everyone else (rather than the reality which is we pulled over for lunch while you caught up) then so be it and all the better.

However you are not quite with us yet. You are still lagging behind us, and the reason for that is you are continually looking over your shoulder and to the sides. Now it's time to take the final sprint, look forwards and try and make out what is coming in the future for Brazil and sprint on. Stop admiring the path you have taken and decide which path you will continue on. Personally I hope you catch up soon because having to shout like this and repeat myself constantly is somewhat tiring.

Dotty however is still looking for the path.

[robh]

Originally Posted by JMBroad

1) I don't "claim" that the existing airport is at full capacity, I've provided irrefutable proof on several occasions that the Natal airport is not only operating OVER 100% capacity but that the other 3 main airports are all also either operating at OVER capacity or very close to 100% capacity. And yes, considering recent historical evidence with regards to increments in passenger arrivals following expansions of airports in comparable regions in the Northeast of Brazil, I am of the opinion that once the new airport is built, Natal should see at least three times the current number of passengers visiting the area compared to this year. But you know this as I've repeated it on numerous occasions, as well as providing factual proof to support my claims. You have yet to provide a single shred of factual evidence to support your "nope, won't be built" theory. And although I'm not 100% sure, I'm pretty sure that you did say somewhere that you didn't believe it would be built, but I don't have the time or patience to go through old posts and find it.

2) You still try and claim the fact that you were the voice of reason who drew back the veil of doubt covering the construction of the new airport and that you did everyone a great service by doing so. Once again, go back to the start of this very thread. The facts about the airport were made clear on here way before you even joined the forums. If you think that more or less agents in Europe now say that the new airport in Natal will be built by 2009 and will be the largest in the world you are mistaken, there are still many websites which make that claim, just as many as did when you came to this forum to repeat what we'd already been discussing for months, yet with claims that you were the only one who knew "the truth". History has not "unfolded" and "reality" has not "arrived" in the overseas/offplan market, it's always been here... you may have only just realised it. What has happened, and I'm glad to see it, is that you are finally catching up with others on this forum and finally starting to understand what we are talking about. If it seems to you that you were running faster than everyone else (rather than the reality which is we pulled over for lunch while you caught up) then so be it and all the better.

However you are not quite with us yet. You are still lagging behind us, and the reason for that is you are continually looking over your shoulder and to the sides. Now it's time to take the final sprint, look forwards and try and make out what is coming in the future for Brazil and sprint on. Stop admiring the path you have taken and decide which path you will continue on. Personally I hope you catch up soon because having to shout like this and repeat myself constantly is somewhat tiring.

Dotty however is still looking for the path.

John,

Good post, but you are wasted in real estate, you should be a Zen master.....

[FCZ]

The Brazilian government announced that three airports are behind schedule…not Natal tough (gotcha!! ) neither expansions for Fortaleza and Salvador airports; they are all on track.
I’ve two other good news, but I’ll keep them for now. I haven’t bought anything yet…I’m still thinking on bashing Brazil before I buy. Does it works?
So far, I decided not to sell my ap in the South, but buy anyway something on the NE, with a nice down payment and some installments.

Digression time:
JM, several years ago (15...) I met a couple from Madeira. The guy said that he could drive around the whole island in less than two hours, is that true? I don't know about his driving skills, but he and his wife were fantastic dancers, not that typical Portuguese dance though.

[robh]

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Quoted from stratfor.

[Dotty]

Hi Rob,

The few international flights would be relatively full, as there are so few flights to get you here in the 1st place !Now if the demand was there you would see plenty of Inter flights coming in. The options are go half way around the world to get here.As for tks there is nt a competative demand for them so the prices do go up and that is not just for here ,but worldwide too.

[JMBroad]

Originally Posted by FCZ

The Brazilian government announced that three airports are behind schedule…not Natal tough (gotcha!! ) neither expansions for Fortaleza and Salvador airports; they are all on track.
I’ve two other good news, but I’ll keep them for now. I haven’t bought anything yet…I’m still thinking on bashing Brazil before I buy. Does it works?
So far, I decided not to sell my ap in the South, but buy anyway something on the NE, with a nice down payment and some installments.

Digression time:
JM, several years ago (15...) I met a couple from Madeira. The guy said that he could drive around the whole island in less than two hours, is that true? I don't know about his driving skills, but he and his wife were fantastic dancers, not that typical Portuguese dance though.

15 years ago they would have had a really hard time doing it in 2 hours. However... in Madeira everything (and I do mean everything) is 10 minutes away. If you are at one side of the island and you ask how long it take to get to the other side, the answer is invariably "dez minutos". If you are in the centre of Funchal and want to know how long it takes to get to the other side of Funchal, "dez minutos" so I guess by that theory he could have done it in 20 minutes . What he may have meant is from one side of the island to the other (south to north) could be done in 2 hours 15 years ago. Now it takes 5 minutes.

The new roads are in place (the mountains are like swiss cheese now, with tunnels through almost every mountain on the island) it may be possible to do it in 2 hours. Although why you would want to do it that fast is beyond me, there is so much to see and do (going deep sea fishing/dolphin/whale spotting in about an hour myself as I'm here on holiday) that you'd be better served spending three or four days to visit everything. To appreciate the beauty of the island you have to be able to slow down to the speed of the island. Of course you can then speed up again during the day and do some karting, rock climbing, paintball, balooning, paragliding, canyoning, rapelling, scuba diving, snorkeling, walking levadas, the list goes on...

Oh and on a trip to Greece many years ago, my pocketbook handguide said "beware of driving in Greece, apart from the Portuguese they are the worst drivers in Europe" - personally I think they forgot to mention the Madeirans. Madeira is full of drivers who are excellent drivers - the problem is they assume everyone else has their reflexes so sometimes relax slightly too much which makes them appear dangerous. And of course now and again someone from one of the small villages in the mountains decides to stop in the fast lane on the highway on one of the breathtaking bridges to take in the view.

[JMBroad]

Originally Posted by robh

John,

Good post, but you are wasted in real estate, you should be a Zen master.....

That's is my evening job, running tiger!