Brazil Flight Information!!

[Dotty]

UK's 3rd largest airline company XL has gone bust leaving 85,000 stranded and a further 200,000 booked on future flights.In the meantime ticket prices to Spain have risen to 400-900 pounds according to The Daily Mail today.They have said it's the price in oil and the credit crunch that is responsible.

[Dotty]

Originally Posted by Dotty

UK's 3rd largest airline company XL has gone bust leaving 85,000 stranded and a further 200,000 booked on future flights.In the meantime ticket prices to Spain have risen to 400-900 pounds according to The Daily Mail today.They have said it's the price in oil and the credit crunch that is responsible.

Meanwhile 1,400 British Airways managers have been offeres voluntary redundancy because of the global turndown which is forcing cuts in salaries.Hefty number at that.

[robh]

Originally Posted by Dotty

UK's 3rd largest airline company XL has gone bust leaving 85,000 stranded and a further 200,000 booked on future flights.In the meantime ticket prices to Spain have risen to 400-900 pounds according to The Daily Mail today.They have said it's the price in oil and the credit crunch that is responsible.

Dotty,

This is a forum about Brazil so I am not sure how this affects anyone regarding Brazil unless you are referring to XL France who do fly to Salvador but are not going into administration. The article also said one way tickets to Spain rose from 400 to 900 quid, that is the price for a flight if you want to leave the same day.

It isn't the price of oil that is responsible nor the credit crunch, it is the other airlines who are using these conditions to squeeze out competitors who haven't got cash in the bank by keeping their prices lower than their competitors.

Getting back to oil prices they are now back to the same level as at the beginning of this year ($100). Judging by the latest OPEC meeting it looks like Saudi Arabia refuses to keep the price higher than it is now as they know it would just force half the world into a recession which means much less demand and ultimately a much lower price per barrel (the same thing that happened in the 1970's when SA nearly went broke). So unless another war breaks out, which, if you ignore the antics of the Russians, Iranians, Israelis and the US, is very unlikely, it looks like oil prices are going to stay around what they are now.

Regards,
Rob.

[DGM42]

No that is the return price £225 each way.
They are having a sale at present. BA normal price is always around £1000
That is why I booked as I normally fly with TAP which is £717 to Belo Horizonte so even getting an internal flight with TAM for around £100 return I am still saving money.
I checked the price for over the Christmas period and it is over £1000 again

[debzor]

Originally Posted by Dotty

UK's 3rd largest airline company XL has gone bust leaving 85,000 stranded and a further 200,000 booked on future flights.In the meantime ticket prices to Spain have risen to 400-900 pounds according to The Daily Mail today.They have said it's the price in oil and the credit crunch that is responsible.

Strange, I just looked at Ryanair's website via Skyscanner, and they are offering one way flights for just £1 fully inclusive if you book before midnight on Sunday and travel in Sept/Oct.

Surely this is exactly the typical flight that ordinary people use, Dotty, not the scheduled same day return flights of business executives? I would have thought that this is kind of marketing activity taken by a business is designed to attract back travellers, and is a reaction to adverse trading conditions.

But you can always choose to believe what you read in the papers...

[Mineiro]

Originally Posted by debzor

Strange, I just looked at Ryanair's website via Skyscanner, and they are offering one way flights for just £1 fully inclusive if you book before midnight on Sunday and travel in Sept/Oct.

Surely this is exactly the typical flight that ordinary people use, Dotty, not the scheduled same day return flights of business executives? I would have thought that this is kind of marketing activity taken by a business is designed to attract back travellers, and is a reaction to adverse trading conditions.

But you can always choose to believe what you read in the papers...

Or you can choose to believe in Arthur Wyss. Hilarious. Surely a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

[robh]

For those interested in getting to Natal, Arkefly are now selling up till march next year. The last time I checked a few weeks ago you could only book until October this year.

[az08]

Originally Posted by robh

For those interested in getting to Natal, Arkefly are now selling up till march next year. The last time I checked a few weeks ago you could only book until October this year.

seems you can only book the return flight for the same month though...

[Dotty]

Anything relating to oil prices does cause problems worldwide hat is why XL have gone bust and a second went down yesterday in the UK.Also petrol will be rising in Natal,not sure why if the barrel is supposed to be less than 100,00 dollars a barrel!!What do you pay in Forteleza and Sao Paulo??

[Golfingworld]

Dotty's remarks on XL are very relevant to the overall business....this is a property website for Brazil and NE Brazil features heavily here. Many of the contributors are selling to non Brazilians, in other words foreigners who have to get there to use or rent their properties. Likewise, many of these developments have been sold on the back of cheap flights and a new super hub airport. The facts are these, many of which I stated a year ago and was attacked for my extreme views.

1. Cheap travel is over, airlines are consolidating, capacity has reduced, volume is down and sensible operators will only go to regions where there is added value profit.
2. The super hub in Natal is and was a fantasy as Brazil does not understand the concept of airline liberalisation, in fact Brazil does not even have an international airline any more!
3. No super hub, no super cheap flights, no volume arrivals, no flexibility means that the sale or rental of tourist related property is also a fantasy.
4. Exchange rate....Brazil is now too expensive.
5. Brazil is years behind many other countries in tourist development, in particular natal where the hotel accommodation is poor and no comparison to the Far East such as Thailand....Brazil is more than 20 years behind the rest of the world in this field.

Point 5 is fine if brazil is cheap...but it aint cheap any more...so you get a poor deal...this is why the whole property thing related to toursit/leisure and golf developments was always a fantasy.

Add to that there is no cheap money around any more and not enough to fund and bail out speculative developers and the concept is finished for a long long time.

Back to reality...thankfully!

You are not daft Dotty, whatever they might say to you!