Resales Vs Offplan

[robh]

Originally Posted by Golfingworld

No my friend you are right...I didn't buy a piece of a hole in the ground, up a pathway with nowhere to buy milk with a slice of land in front of my apartment that might have a skyscraper on it in five years time. Nor did I buy a place that is over an hour from the airport pretending to be 30 mins away from my brand new A380 that will land in the biggest commercial aiport in the world that will get me there for £400!. Nor did I buy a piece of a fancy sand dune where the only history is that nobody has stood on it, least of all rented it or built on it for the last 10,000 years! What I did was got off my backside and left no stone unturned to find what I thought was right for me at the price I wanted with the person who I felt would do a good job for the price he wanted. I read all the websites, contacted some and spoke to many who's nearest knowledge of Brazil was buying some cashews in Tescos or watching Ronhaldinho play for Barcelona. They spoke to me in "property speak" and in more cliches that made an interview with Wayne Rooney sound like a lecture at The Harvard Business School. I researched how the rentals would be paid to me, how I could get the money paid and banked, the locations and prices. I never went near a "launch party" nor on an inspection jolly where you have more chance of escaping Al Quaeda then the Agents accompanying you. I did what I thought was best for me and I bought as you say in a place with no investment history...10 mins from the Beach in Ponta Negra! But, what would that area know about Capital growth compared to a hole in the ground 80km away?

So I was right after all then ...

[Golfingworld]

The only thing you are right about my friend is that during the last 12 months any dealings I have had with Agents claiming to be experts in this field have, in my view, proven to be complete nonsense. I have been told and read a great many half truths by many people either in print or live that have never been anywhere near Brazil. I have read claims on websites that are just not true. I have dealth with many who's only interest is to steer me in their direction and choreograph how the whole process is handled so they they gain over the facts and reality of the situation. When I have asked questions about banking or admin I have seen a load of feet sticking up from the sand but not received many, if any, credible responses. Based on my research and my research only, many if not the majority of "sellers" involved in this offplan business would not be able to make some of the claims they make if they operated on dry land rather than offshore or on the internet. And much as I have enjoyed this site immensely as there is nothing better than watching sellers hang themselves out to dry in public, I also believe that some people may need protection from this lunacy and if by any means my comments have made them go that extra mile or ask that extra question, then at least they can be comfortable with the decisions they have made. If not they can ignore me, but unless I am mistaken that indeed is the concept of a "forum".

[robh]

Originally Posted by Golfingworld

The only thing you are right about my friend is that during the last 12 months any dealings I have had with Agents claiming to be experts in this field have, in my view, proven to be complete nonsense. I have been told and read a great many half truths by many people either in print or live that have never been anywhere near Brazil. I have read claims on websites that are just not true. I have dealth with many who's only interest is to steer me in their direction and choreograph how the whole process is handled so they they gain over the facts and reality of the situation. When I have asked questions about banking or admin I have seen a load of feet sticking up from the sand but not received many, if any, credible responses. Based on my research and my research only, many if not the majority of "sellers" involved in this offplan business would not be able to make some of the claims they make if they operated on dry land rather than offshore or on the internet. And much as I have enjoyed this site immensely as there is nothing better than watching sellers hang themselves out to dry in public, I also believe that some people may need protection from this lunacy and if by any means my comments have made them go that extra mile or ask that extra question, then at least they can be comfortable with the decisions they have made. If not they can ignore me, but unless I am mistaken that indeed is the concept of a "forum".

When all else fails insult people...

[Golfingworld]

Not an insult a fact, my experience, simple as that. No point trying to prove their professionalism to me, prove it to current or potential customers. Show them what steps are being taken to get bank accounts or what steps are being taken to help them. Show up to date pictures of progress. State facts about flights and prices. Show facts about sales and profits when and where. Dont put people on the phone that have never been near Brazil. It is all easily done and if it can be proved, why not. It might help sales, you never know. It will certainly help buyers to make a real valued judgement on the issues. This is what Agents need to do and this is what they should do if they want to come across as real professionals. It is not rocket science is it?

[robh]

Originally Posted by Golfingworld

Not an insult a fact, my experience, simple as that. No point trying to prove their professionalism to me, prove it to current or potential customers. Show them what steps are being taken to get bank accounts or what steps are being taken to help them. Show up to date pictures of progress. State facts about flights and prices. Show facts about sales and profits when and where. Dont put people on the phone that have never been near Brazil. It is all easily done and if it can be proved, why not. It might help sales, you never know. It will certainly help buyers to make a real valued judgement on the issues. This is what Agents need to do and this is what they should do if they want to come across as real professionals. It is not rocket science is it?

No it isn't rocket science, which is why we do all of the above.

[a sheridan]

Hi Golfingworld (luv the posts btw), I was hoping you could clarify something for me. Can you confirm that you actually purchased an off-plan property in Brazil? You see I made a bet with the wife 2 weeks ago that you would eventually buy off-plan and if so my missus owes me some big bucks!! Thanks to you I might actually become the first guy to make money from an off-plan investment in Brazil.....in an indirect way.

[Golfingworld]

Sheridan, I wouldn't want to come between you and the missus, so to speak. We are now getting into more dangerous territory than off plan. But I reckon she owes you a few quid....I have bought a place which to all intents and purpoes is "off plan". It is not finished yet and if my man runs away I can't take completion. So, go and have a good night out..in fact if your winnings are in excess of £750 may I suggest you try a boy's night out in Ponta Negra to celebrate!

[a sheridan]

Very funny World...my missus has seen the brazilian chickas shaking their popozudas in brazil and there is no way she would let me...or 'my boys' have any fun in PN. The most fun I'm allowed is to enjoy a large plate of bolinhos de bacalhau by myself.

I've actually put down double or quits with the old gal that you will become a private agent (that's selling properties in brazil NOT working undercover for the brazilian air traffic policia) - so don't let me down! Hopefully I will win enough money to buy the latest copy of Veja Magazine to privately enjoy on a beach (or sand dune) somewhere in Natal next time I visit.

[Golfingworld]

Listen mate its Friday and i am tucking into to my Bacalhau and chips! If you havent got what it takes to set yourself free and make some off plan profit, you should be tucked up in bed by now and not "living the dream". The world is full of dreamers like you that live their life through others. Well, when my place is ready just up the street dfrom the bars and discos, I'll send you my report on the "due diligence" is that deal?

[PAUL-brasil]

Originally Posted by robh

Show me a proper comparison then.

Hi Rob,
Sorry i didnt see this question, ive described on here before how to find real estate co actually in brazil through brasilian searches from all over the country, but actually this isnt my point. My point is that i think people need to do proper reseach on all different types of property comparisments instead of just the same so people can weigh up their options and risks properly. For example investors need to decide for them selfs if they think a resale £25K 1bed 45m2 apartment in a communal apartment with sea views, pool, gym and resturant in a city where you can see exactly what your buying, against a £35K 1bed offplan hopefully built in 2years in a undeveloped area, hopefully with sea views as promised, with also the communal, pool resturant etc and at the quality the digital drawing impression suggests. Some people will prefer the former for its advantages and some will prefer the latter as it also has its advantages!
Regards
Paul