Arrivals in January 2008 - Northeast Brazil

[FCZ]

Originally Posted by robh

Hi FCZ,

Have a look at Pipa 80km south of Natal (so outside of your range of 50km, but worth a look in my opinion). There is plenty of information about it on Página da Praia de Pipa - Tibau do Sul - RN - Brasil and a multitude of other websites.

Regards,
Rob.

Thanks Rob,

I'll stop by; who drives 50km can drive 80km. Site is quite nice.
I appreciate that.

[robh]

Originally Posted by FCZ

Thanks Rob,

I'll stop by; who drives 50km can drive 80km. Site is quite nice.
I appreciate that.

The place sells itself. If you want to look at any developments there let us know before you go and we will arrange some meetings with the developers for you.

[KDJX]

Originally Posted by FCZ

JMBroad , you put together quite impressive comments. You clearly know what you are talking about. Thanks also for the KDJX and Celt additional comments. Dotty thank you too for… just thanks.
It’s kind of awkward a Brazilian learn from foreigners, but I’ve been away for so long. My last visit to the NE was 10 years ago, Salvador, in which I’m not particular interested at this point. I’m not looking for a property for investment, I do have some stocks & bonds which I’ll not tap in. I’m just looking for a reasonable summer villa (preferable) for my children feel some ground under their feet. I should stop travel a bit, for their good. If it appreciate in value, it will be a welcome +. If I buy off-plan is ok, if not, it will stay closed at least 10 months a year, but that’s ok too. I’ll sell my apartment in the South, where the weather is usually windy and cold during my vacations (July or August) and buy in the North-East. This coming Summer I should have, at most, 10 days to travel around NE. We’re planning to land in Fortaleza and drive to Natal. Not particular sure if I’ll buy something this year, short stay, or just look around. Anyone have any particular suggestions in terms of beach that doesn’t stay more than 50km from the capitals? I saw some pictures of Ponta Negra, I’ll look at it. Any other neighborhood in Natal, close to the beach, that still has reasonable prices and is really nice?
Dotty…
Sorry for the free riding.
P.S.: If anyone would like to adivice any other state, it is ok, but I just don't have time to visit all this year.

We looked at the strangely named Jacuma Golf Village 35Ks north of Natal. Strange because it is clearly banking on the Grand Natal Golf development to provide the golf !!....however it is 90% complete,we were able to see the furnished showhouse and to meet some of the other residents. Also I have never seen so many workers on a building site at one time.

Unfortunately for us all the 2 bed bungalows were sold in phase 1 and the 3 bed houses were a bit too expensive given current exchange rates. We will definately keep an eye on phase 2 though. This development is small and impressive and the Scandanavian developer enthusiastic about what he is trying to achieve. We rolled in to his office in Ponta Negra and he happily took us around the site.

K

[Dotty]

Yes,considering it does not have a golf course,but a small development that advertises something that does not exist(golf course close by....).I visited there,but found the pool area in the wrong place. and the land area to small and a little over priced in reais terms aswell.

Originally Posted by KDJX

We looked at the strangely named Jacuma Golf Village 35Ks north of Natal. Strange because it is clearly banking on the Grand Natal Golf development to provide the golf !!....however it is 90% complete,we were able to see the furnished showhouse and to meet some of the other residents. Also I have never seen so many workers on a building site at one time.

Unfortunately for us all the 2 bed bungalows were sold in phase 1 and the 3 bed houses were a bit too expensive given current exchange rates. We will definately keep an eye on phase 2 though. This development is small and impressive and the Scandanavian developer enthusiastic about what he is trying to achieve. We rolled in to his office in Ponta Negra and he happily took us around the site.

K

[KDJX]

Originally Posted by Dotty

Yes,considering it does not have a golf course,but a small development that advertises something that does not exist(golf course close by....).I visited there,but found the pool area in the wrong place. and the land area to small and a little over priced in reais terms aswell.

Dotty. Yes I agree although we didn't go in to negotiation mode !!!. I hadn't really thought about the pool but on reflection it would have been better nearer the café bar. It was also a bit small.

Still. I'll keep a close eye on phase 2.

Probably getting a bit off thread here.

k

[FCZ]

Dears KDJX & Dotty,

Thanks for your comments. That is exactly what I'm looking for; though, for the listed price of 2 bedrooms, I think I can find something with 3 around Fortaleza or Natal; at least from the internet (far away...I know) and looking into several real states ads. But I need to go down there to check it out.

Once again, thanks!

[Dotty]

You get more for your money in Forteleza right now and there are much more interesting things to do and see.Pipa is ok (if a little over hyped)but that soon wears thin .Nice beaches except for the cramped small beach at the bottom of the high street which is a bit like Woolworths on a Saturday afternoon!

Originally Posted by FCZ

Dears KDJX & Dotty,

Thanks for your comments. That is exactly what I'm looking for; though, for the listed price of 2 bedrooms, I think I can find something with 3 around Fortaleza or Natal; at least from the internet (far away...I know) and looking into several real states ads. But I need to go down there to check it out.

Once again, thanks!

[surfingbrazil]

Originally Posted by JMBroad

A while back GW and Surfing offered their opinion that tourism was generally bad in Natal at the moment based on the number of tourists they saw over there during their stay (not sure if Surfing is based in Brazil or not but know GW isn't).


First off, the top 4 (Recife, Salvador, Natal and Fortaleza) represented 83% of all incoming passengers to the Northeast in January 2008. The average remained constant over the past 5 years and they still receive 96% of all international arrivals.

Natal saw 15% less international arrivals in January 2008 when compared to January 2007. So yes, there was a significantly lower number of international arrivals, which is probably why GW and Surfing said that they noticed less tourists around. On the other hand though, there was a 20% increase in domestic arrivals. As the number of domestic arrivals is by far superior to international arrivals, the end result was an overall increase in passenger arrivals of 13%.

.

JM, you sound like a politician! Everything is fine!

First of all, I knew about the slowdown in tourism in Natal and I told that, not just because
“ I saw few fellows around”.
I have information and now you see I was right.
I was the first one to inform about the pull out of Air Comet and the mess in GS Natal Golf and to anticipate that “THE RABBIT” is against the ropes.

So, indeed, I know some things.

Then again you engage in fruitless discussions.
Think about this:

International arrivals to Natal airport are mainly for tourism. A few might come to work, to sail or in transit but the majority are coming for holidays.

Domestic arrivals, on the contrary, are mainly for all kind of purposes (work, universities, family visiting, transit…) and some of them for holidays too.You cannot simply mix them to redress your figures. This is politician crap to try to hide that international arrival are dropping like a stone (and more to come, just wait).

The fact that domestic arrivals are increasing is not surprising: RN and its economy are growing and Brazilians have more money to spend and flights are an alternative to busses.

This is happening is Manaus as well................

[robh]

Originally Posted by surfingbrazil

JM, you sound like a politician! Everything is fine!

First of all, I knew about the slowdown in tourism in Natal and I told that, not just because
“ I saw few fellows around”.
I have information and now you see I was right.
I was the first one to inform about the pull out of Air Comet and the mess in GS Natal Golf and to anticipate that “THE RABBIT” is against the ropes.

So, indeed, I know some things.

Then again you engage in fruitless discussions.
Think about this:

International arrivals to Natal airport are mainly for tourism. A few might come to work, to sail or in transit but the majority are coming for holidays.

Domestic arrivals, on the contrary, are mainly for all kind of purposes (work, universities, family visiting, transit…) and some of them for holidays too.You cannot simply mix them to redress your figures. This is politician crap to try to hide that international arrival are dropping like a stone (and more to come, just wait).

The fact that domestic arrivals are increasing is not surprising: RN and its economy are growing and Brazilians have more money to spend and flights are an alternative to busses.

This is happening is Manaus as well................

You seem to have neglected to mention the replacement for Air Comet, Club Vacciones are still flying to Natal so they need someone to get them there.

[Dotty]

Oh dear, there are fewer international passangers coming into Natal at least 20% sofar and we are only in April and to make matters worse we were hit with the bad news that sales were also down on buyers investing in Natal(quote from the Madrid Property fair it has been very quiet because of the weak dollar!!)
The good news is Brasilians are able to see their country and travel more for the same price as a bus(well almost!)and even travel more frequently overseas as the fares are cheap as the dollar is so weak.