Cost of Living in Brazil

[robh]

Originally Posted by Dotty

Hi Graymax,

If you are talking about quality of life then it depends what you mean by that,but it certainly is not 50 % cheaper than the uk.Taxes are the highest in the world,cars are 40% more expensive,medical cover is necessary if you plan on retiring here,phone bills are more expensive,condominum fees can be cheap or cost a fair amount in sterling terms and maintaining a home is not actually cheap in Brasil especially if you have a 4 bed/4 bathroom house,however ,eg :you can eat reasonably cheaply,drink a great beer for practically nothing and take long walks on the beaches all day long and lounge in a hammock and watch the sun go down ,so in that aspect you have a fine quality of life,other peoples ideas of quality of life can and are entirely different.
Graymax,you will enjoy your home in Brasil ,so do not see this as a do not come or buy in Brasil .It really is just reality and the beer is the best in the world !

Dotty,

I do believe this was talked about in the cost of living thread. You priced out what it cost for you to live per month, which included sending 2 children to a good school, a full time housekeeper, a full time gardener and full medical insurance for a family of four, food, fuel, phone etc.. This came out at something like R$10k per month, which is about £3k per month.

If you think you can lead that sort of lifestyle in England for £3k per month, then you really need to get to the UK more often....

[timatthebeach]

just to chuck in my two penneth worth but the beer in brazil is NOT the best in the world and to be fair nowhere near. just because they (fill it full of chemicals so they can) chill it to minus 5 doesnt make it good. I will admit that Bohemian is passable........

[Dotty]

Just a matter of taste and besides we are ALL entitled to our opinion!

Originally Posted by timatthebeach

just to chuck in my two penneth worth but the beer in brazil is NOT the best in the world and to be fair nowhere near. just because they (fill it full of chemicals so they can) chill it to minus 5 doesnt make it good. I will admit that Bohemian is passable........

[robh]

Originally Posted by Golfingworld

How many families are going to pay £900 each to fly to Natal in July and August to take up property thay have rented from an owner? For a family of 4 the vacation cost isgoing to bein the region of £6000 or more for a 2/3 week stay. On the basis that you can rent an entire flat in Ponta Negra for about £300 per month in July-Sept who is going to pay 12 times that price for their flights? All inclusive to Salvador Sauipe with First Choice during the same period will probably cost a maximum of £1250 per head and this includes all food and drink. Who in their right mind would therefore rent a property at these prices and so where are all these fantastic "rental returns" coming from?

Oh, and I nearly forgot, there are quite a lot of people who pay that sort of money for a holiday, a lot of them from Brazil as well.

[Golfingworld]

Just walk along Ave Roberto Freire...there are about 5 tower blocks near the round about 2 or 3......each block has loads of signs for rent.....alternative just ask around....easy.or go to the beach and ask someone..there will be a stampede.

[robh]

Originally Posted by Golfingworld

Just walk along Ave Roberto Freire...there are about 5 tower blocks near the round about 2 or 3......each block has loads of signs for rent.....alternative just ask around....easy.or go to the beach and ask someone..there will be a stampede.

So how come last time you were in Natal you didn't rent a place for £300 pm, you were complaining how expensive accommodation was. Sounds like your usual load of ****.

[michaelbush]

Originally Posted by robh

I think the £300 per month flat for a family of four in PN is a bit unrealistic, but if true then show me a link to it as I want to rent it when I am there next month.

The flats in the rental pool systems will get more than that per month with all condo fees, IPTU(council tax) and electric and water included, plus they are cleaned for you just like a hotel service. (I have several for sale that last year returned aan average of 1250 R$ per month or more). On the other hand if you are renting for a year, sure it will be possible you can get a house or apartment for around 1000R$ per month. It will not be near the beach or n tourist areas though!!

[Golfingworld]

My Italian friend paid about $R1000 for a month last Christmas when it was busy, he could have got me one if I hadwanted it, he told me there we loads available, just speak to the Porter "who knew of all the deals going". But, even if the price rises to £500 per month for a serviced flat, how many months of the year would you get that for? 4/6? An annual rent commands a lower price obviously, but gives continuity.
But the original point was wwith flight costs around £900 or more in peak season, where is the logic to spending 2 or 3 times the apartment cost on one flight when you can go all inclusive for a better price? And this is a very important point as many of these properties are sold on "rental returns" and simply there won't be many whilst flight prices remain as they are. Yes there are Brasilians, but they want to rent at lower prices still and know better than Gringos how to get good deals.

As for Rob's comment that some Brasilians spend about £6000 or $Reis 20000 on a vacation..maybe the elite....but certainly not the growing middle classes and certainly not in enough volume to fill all those offplan apartments being built!

[robh]

Originally Posted by Golfingworld

My Italian friend paid about $R1000 for a month last Christmas when it was busy, he could have got me one if I hadwanted it, he told me there we loads available, just speak to the Porter "who knew of all the deals going". But, even if the price rises to £500 per month for a serviced flat, how many months of the year would you get that for? 4/6? An annual rent commands a lower price obviously, but gives continuity.
But the original point was wwith flight costs around £900 or more in peak season, where is the logic to spending 2 or 3 times the apartment cost on one flight when you can go all inclusive for a better price? And this is a very important point as many of these properties are sold on "rental returns" and simply there won't be many whilst flight prices remain as they are. Yes there are Brasilians, but they want to rent at lower prices still and know better than Gringos how to get good deals.

As for Rob's comment that some Brasilians spend about £6000 or $Reis 20000 on a vacation..maybe the elite....but certainly not the growing middle classes and certainly not in enough volume to fill all those offplan apartments being built!

Rereading my post I see what you mean, the brazilians bit shouldn't have been on the end of that sentence referring to air fares, that was just bad editing, sorry about that.

Other than that as usual you are speaking ****. Why would someone spend 6k to get to Natal on peak season tickets and go wondering around the back streets of PN with family and luggage in tow to find a place to stay? Try working out where they would stay and you could get some very tidy rental returns.

Still I would like to know the specification of this "apartment", but I suspect it will double or triple in size and luxury by the time you post your response.

[Dotty]

Brasilians pay about 3,000 reais in high season,but these are houses with about 20 people contributing to the rent and having to sleep in a hammock inside and out.This is common.