Brazil - Promotion, Hype and Facts

[Golfingworld]

Crime.....it doesn't matter one dot (or Dotty) what the statistics say, they are entirely irrelevant to some poor unsuspecting tourist or prospective property buyer. What counts is their perception of Brazil. To the average man Brazil means favelas, football, women and carnival and all based round Rio/SP and Salvador. When I first went back to Brazil everyone but everyone said "be careful" nobody said...read these statistics! So, until someone in Brazil is smart enough to publicise those statistics and convince the buying and travelling public that the problem is nothing like it is perceived, then there will be a negative associated with Brazil. And, selling concepts is not one of Brazil's best assets. Maybe they should give t to a load of redundant off plan Estate Agents, they know how to talk up the positives!

[nigelallen]

I'm off to Salvador May 3rd First choice £204 return including taxes etc, don't you just love it

[Dotty]

Thats a really good idea GW that should keep them busy.

[RalphJ]

Originally Posted by JMBroad

National Violent Death Reporting System - NCIPC

You said 60.000 violent deaths per annum in Brazil. According to this website;

"Each year, about 50,000 violent deaths occur in this country (USA). Violent deaths, including homicides and suicides, cost the United States more than $52 billion in medical care and lost productivity every year. "

Does that mean you would accept calling the US a third world country?

Who knows what the numbers would be for suicides here in Brazil. By violent death I mean murder.

In the U.S. there are approximately 14,000 murders per year, and that number has been steadily decreasing. In Brazil you have approximately 60,000 murders a year, 2 years ago the number was 57K and change, and according to the latest surveys and research the problem is getting worse, not better.

[RalphJ]

Originally Posted by Dotty

I love Brasil but the stuff you guys often write is way out of touch with the reality and thats that.The flight thing UK -Salvador 205 May but 650,00 +in June and thats before you have your hotel and rice and beans,hired a car,paid your entry into sites,taken an excursion etc.So whilst Salvador has mountains to offer Natal unfortunately does not so when the interest grows for Salvador I can see why.The difficulty with Aracaju is not being able to get there easily.

Dotty;

If one can get to Salvador easily, which they can, then they can certainly get to Aracaju easily. There are anywhere from 2 to 4 Salvador-Aracaju flights per day and the flight is 25 minutes in length.

Or one can drive a car, one of brazil's few good roads, 300 km's, or 3 to 3.5 hours.

[RalphJ]

Originally Posted by JMBroad

Well if we are talking sheer numbers how does the US fare against Sierra Leone or Niger or Angola?

And let me state that I stated sheer numbers because I wasn't quite certain about Brazil being in the top 5 worst per capita, but now I am certain, and they are.


NationMaster - Murders (per capita) (most recent) by country

Crime Statistics > Murders (per capita) (most recent) by country
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Rank Countries Amount (top to bottom)
#1 Colombia: 0.617847 per 1,000 people
#2 South Africa: 0.496008 per 1,000 people
#3 Jamaica: 0.324196 per 1,000 people
#4 Venezuela: 0.316138 per 1,000 people
#5 Russia: 0.201534 per 1,000 people
#6 Mexico: 0.130213 per 1,000 people
#7 Estonia: 0.107277 per 1,000 people
#8 Latvia: 0.10393 per 1,000 people
#9 Lithuania: 0.102863 per 1,000 people
#10 Belarus: 0.0983495 per 1,000 people
#11 Ukraine: 0.094006 per 1,000 people
#12 Papua New Guinea: 0.0838593 per 1,000 people
#13 Kyrgyzstan: 0.0802565 per 1,000 people
#14 Thailand: 0.0800798 per 1,000 people
#15 Moldova: 0.0781145 per 1,000 people
#16 Zimbabwe: 0.0749938 per 1,000 people
#17 Seychelles: 0.0739025 per 1,000 people
#18 Zambia: 0.070769 per 1,000 people
#19 Costa Rica: 0.061006 per 1,000 people
#20 Poland: 0.0562789 per 1,000 people
#21 Georgia: 0.0511011 per 1,000 people
#22 Uruguay: 0.045082 per 1,000 people
#23 Bulgaria: 0.0445638 per 1,000 people
#24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people
#25 Armenia: 0.0425746 per 1,000 people
#26 India: 0.0344083 per 1,000 people
#27 Yemen: 0.0336276 per 1,000 people
#28 Dominica: 0.0289733 per 1,000 people
#29 Azerbaijan: 0.0285642 per 1,000 people
#30 Finland: 0.0283362 per 1,000 people
#31 Slovakia: 0.0263303 per 1,000 people
#32 Romania: 0.0250784 per 1,000 people
#33 Portugal: 0.0233769 per 1,000 people
#34 Malaysia: 0.0230034 per 1,000 people
#35 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 0.0229829 per 1,000 people
#36 Mauritius: 0.021121 per 1,000 people
#37 Hungary: 0.0204857 per 1,000 people
#38 Korea, South: 0.0196336 per 1,000 people
#39 Slovenia: 0.0179015 per 1,000 people
#40 France: 0.0173272 per 1,000 people
#41 Czech Republic: 0.0169905 per 1,000 people
#42 Iceland: 0.0168499 per 1,000 people
#43 Australia: 0.0150324 per 1,000 people
#44 Canada: 0.0149063 per 1,000 people
#45 Chile: 0.014705 per 1,000 people
#46 United Kingdom: 0.0140633 per 1,000 people
#47 Italy: 0.0128393 per 1,000 people
#48 Spain: 0.0122456 per 1,000 people
#49 Germany: 0.0116461 per 1,000 people
#50 Tunisia: 0.0112159 per 1,000 people
#51 Netherlands: 0.0111538 per 1,000 people
#52 New Zealand: 0.0111524 per 1,000 people
#53 Denmark: 0.0106775 per 1,000 people
#54 Norway: 0.0106684 per 1,000 people
#55 Ireland: 0.00946215 per 1,000 people
#56 Switzerland: 0.00921351 per 1,000 people
#57 Indonesia: 0.00910842 per 1,000 people
#58 Greece: 0.0075928 per 1,000 people
#59 Hong Kong: 0.00550804 per 1,000 people
#60 Japan: 0.00499933 per 1,000 people
#61 Saudi Arabia: 0.00397456 per 1,000 people
#62 Qatar: 0.00115868 per 1,000 people



If you noticed Brazil is nowhere on the list, for whatever reason they omitted them. Be we know what their murder rate is, and it's approximately 23 per 100K, that would put them in front of Russia on this list, and behind Venezuela, which would be 5th worst per capita worldwide.

[RalphJ]

And damn, by coincidence, a buddy of mine just phoned me, at this moment, to inform me that an american friend of ours, his name is Bob and he spends six months a year in Aracaju, was just interviewed by the local news on tv because he was shot at noon today, coincidentally just 30 minutes after I saw him in traffic at 11:30 am this morning. He and another american guy went to the new bridge they just built here to take some photos and a guy on a bicycle with a gun tried to rob them and evidently they resisted......and he got shot in the knee.

I understand that these types of things can "happen anywhere", that's usually the cries heard by Brazilians when a "gringo" talks about how dangerous it is here in Brazil, but I gotta tell ya, it sure seems to happen a helluva lot more frequently here.

[RalphJ]

it's already on the internet....


Emsergipe Multimídia

Amazing..... in Brazil sh*t like this never amazes me anymore.

The worst place I ever been as far as a bad feeling, malandros, bad looks, etc; was Salvador - Bahia.

My first trip to Bahia was 2004.

A Taxi guy: young, fat black dude, cocky f*cker, picked me an my namorada up at the lighthouse in Barra on a Saturday around mid-day. We directed him to the arts and crafts building (forgot the name) downtown near Pelohino. The asshole started talking smack and convinced my Carioca girl about 'another area past downtown' that was a better place. I reluctantly followed along and 25 minutes past downtown we were headed out to BFE, when the car stopped at a light and I opened the door and quickly got out. The guy went nuts! No doubt he was taking us somewhere bad! Beware: if you're a white dude with a beautiful Brazilian woman, you will encounter animosity/racism/whatever-the-f*ck you wanna call it in Brazil, and in Salvador, it's much worse.

I have no plans of returning to Salvador again.

[Dotty]

Thats scary.After the incidents in Natal with the shottings on the beach and in PN a friend went for a night sit with her boyfriend on the beach in Natal.It was early hrs 3am I believe .A gun was put to their heads and the robber threatened to kill them if they did not hand over their mobile and the small amount of money they had on them on them.
The bad thing is that in Brasil they just pull out a gun for small robberies like drinking a glass of water and they damn well use it.It is not a joke.There are many horror stories!