Palma do Mar - Joao Pessoa

[robh]

Originally Posted by Mineiro

Dave you obviously don't have a very good memory because I have told you before where I have already been in the Northeast. Now as for dead horses and donkeys you mustn't have travelled far because only the blind would have a chance not to see them. We are talking about main roads Dave not the ones next to the beach.

Mineiro,

I haven't seen that many large dead animals on the side of the road either, I think I saw a dead cow once and I am sure plenty of little dead furry animals but that is pretty normal for big countries with large open spaces (not if you are from the UK of course, but I grew up in Australia). I have only been to Paraiba once but the way you make it sound is like a scene out of "Apocalypse Now" and it wasn't like that for me.

Rob.

[Mineiro]

Originally Posted by robh

Mineiro,

I haven't seen that many large dead animals on the side of the road either, I think I saw a dead cow once and I am sure plenty of little dead furry animals but that is pretty normal for big countries with large open spaces (not if you are from the UK of course, but I grew up in Australia). I have only been to Paraiba once but the way you make it sound is like a scene out of "Apocalypse Now" and it wasn't like that for me.

Rob.

Rob,why don't you answer the question. The post you're quoting I wrote to Dave . Why don't you concentrate on the post I wrote to you in answer to your questions. Surely you're capable of answering one little question.

[Blc]

So theres no shootings in the Favelas amongst the rival gangs, you will find most shootings do happen in The Favelas amonst the gangs and the police.
Also most crimes are commited by people who live in the Favelas.

So what you are saying about Coata Sauipe is that the Hotels have never made a profit can you prove that.

Not so long ago Brazil was awarded Investment grade this does not mean that Brazil will become a great super power overnite it takes time and thats why Brazil is the fastest growing emerging market.

Morgan Stanley predict strong growth for 7 years but you know better and everyone should listen to you . One US invester i will not mention his name purchased 35% of Gafisa last year Brazils largest Developer he invested $150.000.000 he later sold 5 % for the 150.000.000 he should have listened to you and invested elsewhere. Gafisas turnover rose 100% this year already profits are up 68% how do they do this without sales as you know best could you answer maybe they are selling at half price.

Pertrobras will invest $11 billion in Ceara creating thousands of Jobs by 2013 but this will cause investers to sell there properties at less than what they paid for i guess and couse further poverty, what planet are you on ?

Look what happened to Mexico after they got investment grade tourist numbers shot up from 5 to 22 mil but i guess you will tell me there are no poor people in Mexico.

A freind of mine in the office next door to me is developing a golf course due to open in December 2008 this year and also 8 new 5* hotels i will nip next door and tell him to cancel the whole project because you think it wont happen here.

Hey also there are more shootings in Estonia/Colombia and south africa dident properties in south africa shoot up 300% in some areas?

You and Dotty need to move from Brazil try Colombia i predict this country will get investment grade shortly and prices will rise sorry you dont like dead animals or guns so not for you ,me im listening to the experts and investing in both countries and will take your advise with a pinch of salt sorry.









QUOTE=Mineiro;75114]Rob, I'll be very pleased to do so. But before I go any further would you please answer the same question that I've asked you about 10 times now. Why if tourism is such a big thing here in Brazil has one of the top resorts Costa do
Sauipe never made a profit ?

First of all most of the violence is not in favelas. Infact the favelas are very safe to live in since they are ruled by the traficantes who do not support any criminal activity besides their own ofcourse. Poor b*st*rd who is caught stealing in a favela. It's only when the police or a rival gang enter the " morro " that any shooting begins.

Secondly I live in the Triangulo Mineiro which is actually a pretty afluent area.


And finally I have at times thought of moving elsewhere but all in all I suppose I'm really pretty satisfied here. I've never said that Brazil is a terrible country to live in but there's a big diference between the reality and a lot of what's being spouted on this forum. I've lived in Brazil for 15 years now , am married , have 2 daughters , and a lot of investments here. I don't think it's a good idea for people who have little idea about Brazil to come and invest their hard earned money on some second rate coastal development in the Northeast. First because from what I imagine there will not be a great deal of return in rentals. And secondly because all these developments seem very overpriced. However if they want to throw their money away that's fine to me . The Brazilians and the rest of us will just wait for them to see the reality , sell far cheaper than for what they bought at, and we'll buy it all up for next to nothing. My advice to these people if they want to see huge capital growth would be to buy stocks on the Bovespa.[/QUOTE]

[Mineiro]

[QUOTE=Blc;75127]So theres no shootings in the Favelas amongst the rival gangs, you will find most shootings do happen in The Favelas amonst the gangs and the police.
Also most crimes are commited by people who live in the Favelas.

So what you are saying about Coata Sauipe is that the Hotels have never made a profit can you prove that.

Not so long ago Brazil was awarded Investment grade this does not mean that Brazil will become a great super power overnite it takes time and thats why Brazil is the fastest growing emerging market.

Morgan Stanley predict strong growth for 7 years but you know better and everyone should listen to you . One US invester i will not mention his name purchased 35% of Gafisa last year Brazils largest Developer he invested $150.000.000 he later sold 5 % for the 150.000.000 he should have listened to you and invested elsewhere. Gafisas turnover rose 100% this year already profits are up 68% how do they do this without sales as you know best could you answer maybe they are selling at half price.

Pertrobras will invest $11 billion in Ceara creating thousands of Jobs by 2013 but this will cause investers to sell there properties at less than what they paid for i guess and couse further poverty, what planet are you on ?

Look what happened to Mexico after they got investment grade tourist numbers shot up from 5 to 22 mil but i guess you will tell me there are no poor people in Mexico.

A freind of mine in the office next door to me is developing a golf course due to open in December 2008 this year and also 8 new 5* hotels i will nip next door and tell him to cancel the whole project because you think it wont happen here.

Hey also there are more shootings in Estonia/Colombia and south africa dident properties in south africa shoot up 300% in some areas?

You and Dotty need to move from Brazil try Colombia i predict this country will get investment grade shortly and prices will rise sorry you dont like dead animals or guns so not for you ,me im listening to the experts and investing in both countries and will take your advise with a pinch of salt sorry.


BLC, I take it from your obvious hurt national pride that you're Brazilian. I also think that your English isn't up to what it should be otherwise you wouldn't be ranting on about things that I have already written about in my previous post such as rival gangs etc.
Costa do Sauipe has been the worst investment the Previ have ever made as you can confer for yourself by reading the artcle in "Exame".
I'm quite aware of the investment grade as I invest in the Bovespa. However Brazil is certainly not the fastest growing emerging market. Last year it had the smallest growth out of all the BRICs. Infact Chile grew more than Brazil last year.
Your American investor obviously bought shares in Gafisa from which he made his profit and not offplan coastal properties in JP. Gafisa's main area of business is in SP and Rio.
I have shares in Petrobras.
If you want to know a little more about what happened to Mexico after it was awarded the investment grade look at what John Authers has to say about it in the "Short View " on the Financial Times website.
I don't think I'll move to Colombia although I think Cartagena is a wonderful city.

Try overhyping Brazil to someone who knows less about it.

[Blc]

[QUOTE=Mineiro;75139]

Originally Posted by Blc

So theres no shootings in the Favelas amongst the rival gangs, you will find most shootings do happen in The Favelas amonst the gangs and the police.
Also most crimes are commited by people who live in the Favelas.

So what you are saying about Coata Sauipe is that the Hotels have never made a profit can you prove that.

Not so long ago Brazil was awarded Investment grade this does not mean that Brazil will become a great super power overnite it takes time and thats why Brazil is the fastest growing emerging market.

Morgan Stanley predict strong growth for 7 years but you know better and everyone should listen to you . One US invester i will not mention his name purchased 35% of Gafisa last year Brazils largest Developer he invested $150.000.000 he later sold 5 % for the 150.000.000 he should have listened to you and invested elsewhere. Gafisas turnover rose 100% this year already profits are up 68% how do they do this without sales as you know best could you answer maybe they are selling at half price.

Pertrobras will invest $11 billion in Ceara creating thousands of Jobs by 2013 but this will cause investers to sell there properties at less than what they paid for i guess and couse further poverty, what planet are you on ?

Look what happened to Mexico after they got investment grade tourist numbers shot up from 5 to 22 mil but i guess you will tell me there are no poor people in Mexico.

A freind of mine in the office next door to me is developing a golf course due to open in December 2008 this year and also 8 new 5* hotels i will nip next door and tell him to cancel the whole project because you think it wont happen here.

Hey also there are more shootings in Estonia/Colombia and south africa dident properties in south africa shoot up 300% in some areas?

You and Dotty need to move from Brazil try Colombia i predict this country will get investment grade shortly and prices will rise sorry you dont like dead animals or guns so not for you ,me im listening to the experts and investing in both countries and will take your advise with a pinch of salt sorry.


BLC, I take it from your obvious hurt national pride that you're Brazilian. I also think that your English isn't up to what it should be otherwise you wouldn't be ranting on about things that I have already written about in my previous post such as rival gangs etc.
Costa do Sauipe has been the worst investment the Previ have ever made as you can confer for yourself by reading the artcle in "Exame".
I'm quite aware of the investment grade as I invest in the Bovespa. However Brazil is certainly not the fastest growing emerging market. Last year it had the smallest growth out of all the BRICs. Infact Chile grew more than Brazil last year.
Your American investor obviously bought shares in Gafisa from which he made his profit and not offplan coastal properties in JP. Gafisa's main area of business is in SP and Rio.
I have shares in Petrobras.
If you want to know a little more about what happened to Mexico after it was awarded the investment grade look at what John Authers has to say about it in the "Short View " on the Financial Times website.
I don't think I'll move to Colombia although I think Cartagena is a wonderful city.

Try overhyping Brazil to someone who knows less about it.

Gafisa has bought more than 150 areas in Fortaleza and will develop more than 5000 units Cyrela also 3000 units Beach park all costal units .Rossi from Sau Paulo Have land banked almost all the land in Praia Futuro They belive in the off plan market unlike you.


Mexico /so the tourist numbers did not go from 5mil to 22 Mil ?
So you invest in Bovespa if things are so bad in Brazil why o you do this?

At the end of the day you are you know nothing about real estate or off plan investing.

JP is a great city and you know that you also know Brazil is a great country also,
the problem is you are set in your ways probably 99 and from Skegness came to

Have a nice day try the stock market forums

[Dotty]

Originally Posted by Blc

So theres no shootings in the Favelas amongst the rival gangs, you will find most shootings do happen in The Favelas amonst the gangs and the police.
Also most crimes are commited by people who live in the Favelas.

So what you are saying about Coata Sauipe is that the Hotels have never made a profit can you prove that.

Not so long ago Brazil was awarded Investment grade this does not mean that Brazil will become a great super power overnite it takes time and thats why Brazil is the fastest growing emerging market.

Morgan Stanley predict strong growth for 7 years but you know better and everyone should listen to you . One US invester i will not mention his name purchased 35% of Gafisa last year Brazils largest Developer he invested $150.000.000 he later sold 5 % for the 150.000.000 he should have listened to you and invested elsewhere. Gafisas turnover rose 100% this year already profits are up 68% how do they do this without sales as you know best could you answer maybe they are selling at half price.

Pertrobras will invest $11 billion in Ceara creating thousands of Jobs by 2013 but this will cause investers to sell there properties at less than what they paid for i guess and couse further poverty, what planet are you on ?

Look what happened to Mexico after they got investment grade tourist numbers shot up from 5 to 22 mil but i guess you will tell me there are no poor people in Mexico.

A freind of mine in the office next door to me is developing a golf course due to open in December 2008 this year and also 8 new 5* hotels i will nip next door and tell him to cancel the whole project because you think it wont happen here.

Hey also there are more shootings in Estonia/Colombia and south africa dident properties in south africa shoot up 300% in some areas?

You and Dotty need to move from Brazil try Colombia i predict this country will get investment grade shortly and prices will rise sorry you dont like dead animals or guns so not for you ,me im listening to the experts and investing in both countries and will take your advise with a pinch of salt sorry.









QUOTE=Mineiro;75114]Rob, I'll be very pleased to do so. But before I go any further would you please answer the same question that I've asked you about 10 times now. Why if tourism is such a big thing here in Brazil has one of the top resorts Costa do
Sauipe never made a profit ?

First of all most of the violence is not in favelas. Infact the favelas are very safe to live in since they are ruled by the traficantes who do not support any criminal activity besides their own ofcourse. Poor b*st*rd who is caught stealing in a favela. It's only when the police or a rival gang enter the " morro " that any shooting begins.

Secondly I live in the Triangulo Mineiro which is actually a pretty afluent area.


And finally I have at times thought of moving elsewhere but all in all I suppose I'm really pretty satisfied here. I've never said that Brazil is a terrible country to live in but there's a big diference between the reality and a lot of what's being spouted on this forum. I've lived in Brazil for 15 years now , am married , have 2 daughters , and a lot of investments here. I don't think it's a good idea for people who have little idea about Brazil to come and invest their hard earned money on some second rate coastal development in the Northeast. First because from what I imagine there will not be a great deal of return in rentals. And secondly because all these developments seem very overpriced. However if they want to throw their money away that's fine to me . The Brazilians and the rest of us will just wait for them to see the reality , sell far cheaper than for what they bought at, and we'll buy it all up for next to nothing. My advice to these people if they want to see huge capital growth would be to buy stocks on the Bovespa.

[/QUOTE]

Mineiro,

What BLC doesn't seem to understand is that when an overseas national buys in Brasil(very often they DO NOT even know what they are buying,how they are going to,what they are going to do with it when they want to sell,what other overseas national will buy into what they have bought).However, a Brasilian will be pretty clued up about what they are buying and how they are going to sell it on .
Now if you are going to buy 10,000 meters of beach front in a prime location and sell lots you will make money,but if you buy in a mega resort I personally would run a few miles,likewise a small complex in the middle of the countryside.

[robh]

Originally Posted by Mineiro

Rob,why don't you answer the question. The post you're quoting I wrote to Dave . Why don't you concentrate on the post I wrote to you in answer to your questions. Surely you're capable of answering one little question.

Mineiro,

Sorry I didn't see your post.

We don't do any business in Bahia at the moment and haven't looked at Costa do Sauipe for a couple of years at least, so I really don't know what is going on there.

Since you haven't been to the places we do sell you aren't really in a position to comment on them are you?

Anyway can you now answer my question why when you drive the roads look like something from a horror movie and it isn't like that for me?


Regards,
Rob.

[Mineiro]

Originally Posted by robh

Mineiro,

Sorry I didn't see your post.

We don't do any business in Bahia at the moment and haven't looked at Costa do Sauipe for a couple of years at least, so I really don't know what is going on there.

Since you haven't been to the places we do sell you aren't really in a position to comment on them are you?

Anyway can you now answer my question why when you drive the roads look like something from a horror movie and it isn't like that for me?


Regards,
Rob.

Rob, I don't want in-depth details as to the failure , just a general outlook as to why one of the top resorts has failed so miserably if tourism in Brazil is doing so well according to yourself and many others on this forum.
My comments have been on a purely general basis as to the ease with which foreigners can supposedly make small fortunes investing in Northeastern coastal properties.
I'm not making the dead horses and donkeys up. I have absolutely no reason to. As for why you haven't seen them I can't answer but it perhaps has a little something to do with the fact that I've probably driven far more than you have here in Brazil and been here a lot longer. The last time I drove to the Northeast was about 2 years ago when I drove to Maceio. I went with my wife and a good friend both of whom are Brazilian. They both have said that they remember not only the fact that there were dead horses and donkeys but also the large quantities of them.

[Mineiro]

[QUOTE=Blc;75141]

Originally Posted by Mineiro

Gafisa has bought more than 150 areas in Fortaleza and will develop more than 5000 units Cyrela also 3000 units Beach park all costal units .Rossi from Sau Paulo Have land banked almost all the land in Praia Futuro They belive in the off plan market unlike you.


Mexico /so the tourist numbers did not go from 5mil to 22 Mil ?
So you invest in Bovespa if things are so bad in Brazil why o you do this?

At the end of the day you are you know nothing about real estate or off plan investing.

JP is a great city and you know that you also know Brazil is a great country also,
the problem is you are set in your ways probably 99 and from Skegness came to

Have a nice day try the stock market forums

Are you trying to be silly or does it just come naturally? The vast majority of Gafisa's or Cyrela's profits come from SP and Rio. You must know this so why do you try and ignore it.
I invest in the Bovespa because as a long term investment there are few better.
I'm not 99 and I don't come from Skegness . I'm 36 and come from Newcastle.

[Blc]

Yes thats correct Gafisa and Cyreal work out of SP and Rio what im telling you that they are now investing in The NE i dont think they know about the hourses and the donkeys. Cyrela building a mega resort with 3000 units is a fact and no small investment my freind.

You atr making comments on sites you hve not visited and i repeat JP, Natal, Fortaleza are all superb investments Mota Mochada a Brazilian development sold 225 units in 16hr a record here in Ceara a resort 30 minutes fron Fortaleza.

So you moved to Brazil when you were 21? and spent 15 years doing what? ahh Bovespa.

Anyway you are full of negative vibes and unfair to the developers of Palma do Mar knowing you have not visited the site and making up stories about poverty and Dead Animals ect.

Anyone who has been to JP will know you are lying JP is safe clean and modern.



Are you trying to be silly or does it just come naturally? The vast majority of Gafisa's or Cyrela's profits come from SP and Rio. You must know this so why do you try and ignore it.
I invest in the Bovespa because as a long term investment there are few better.
I'm not 99 and I don't come from Skegness . I'm 36 and come from Newcastle.[/QUOTE]