Palma do Mar - Joao Pessoa

[markland]

Originally Posted by Mineiro

Dave you obviously don't have a very good memory because I have told you before where I have already been in the Northeast. Now as for dead horses and donkeys you mustn't have travelled far because only the blind would have a chance not to see them. We are talking about main roads Dave not the ones next to the beach.

Mineiro and Dave

aproximately 3 weeks ago at BR 101 there was a dead horse on the road and no one did anything ... so maybe the owner had no money or way to take him out from the road and also the Mayor office should have done something ... which I think they have done it after receiving so many phone calls regarding that...

But again, agree that in big countries also, we see dead animals on the main roads like in US we can see deers, skanks, racoons, dogs and so on ...

So Brazil, NE is not different from the other countries ... maybe in certain things the other countries take less time to clean up ... and here takes longer...

But we are in a Tropical Country and Brazilians are relaxed people ... specially at NE.

[robh]

Originally Posted by Mineiro

Rob, I don't want in-depth details as to the failure , just a general outlook as to why one of the top resorts has failed so miserably if tourism in Brazil is doing so well according to yourself and many others on this forum.
My comments have been on a purely general basis as to the ease with which foreigners can supposedly make small fortunes investing in Northeastern coastal properties.
I'm not making the dead horses and donkeys up. I have absolutely no reason to. As for why you haven't seen them I can't answer but it perhaps has a little something to do with the fact that I've probably driven far more than you have here in Brazil and been here a lot longer. The last time I drove to the Northeast was about 2 years ago when I drove to Maceio. I went with my wife and a good friend both of whom are Brazilian. They both have said that they remember not only the fact that there were dead horses and donkeys but also the large quantities of them.

Mineiro,

I am sure you have driven in Brazil a lot more than me, and I have driven a hell of a lot in the NE of Brazil so I suppose it is just luck I haven't seen a dead horse or donkey on the road, in fact I don't think I have ever seen a dead horse on the road in any country. I have seen dead people on the road in Cairo (run over by cars because the idiots in Egypt drive without lights at night) but never a horse.

I understand why you ask why Costa do Sauipe isn't doing well, but I honestly don't know at all. Costa do Sauipe is also a very ambitious project which unfortunately if you look at the history of projects of that size they usually take a long time to make money.

Why I chose NE Brazil to sell is because I grew up on the beaches in Australia and used to hang around beach towns like Byron Bay and Noosa when I was a kid which used to be full of hippies and surfers. Now you can't buy there for less than a million. Places like Pipa remind me of what Byron Bay used to be like 20 or 30 years ago.

I have been going to Brazil frequently for the last four years so I have been seeing the changes happening there which because I don't live there are to me much more dramatic than gradual and it is heading in the right direction. During that time I have also seen people making good returns on their investments which is what I want to see before we sell in an area which is why we don't just sell anywhere or anything.

Oh and I also put my money where my mouth is.

Regards,
Rob.

[Blc]

Originally Posted by robh

Mineiro,

I am sure you have driven in Brazil a lot more than me, and I have driven a hell of a lot in the NE of Brazil so I suppose it is just luck I haven't seen a dead horse or donkey on the road, in fact I don't think I have ever seen a dead horse on the road in any country. I have seen dead people on the road in Cairo (run over by cars because the idiots in Egypt drive without lights at night) but never a horse.

I understand why you ask why Costa do Sauipe isn't doing well, but I honestly don't know at all. Costa do Sauipe is also a very ambitious project which unfortunately if you look at the history of projects of that size they usually take a long time to make money.

Why I chose NE Brazil to sell is because I grew up on the beaches in Australia and used to hang around beach towns like Byron Bay and Noosa when I was a kid which used to be full of hippies and surfers. Now you can't buy there for less than a million. Places like Pipa remind me of what Byron Bay used to be like 20 or 30 years ago.

I have been going to Brazil frequently for the last four years so I have been seeing the changes happening there which because I don't live there are to me much more dramatic than gradual and it is heading in the right direction. During that time I have also seen people making good returns on their investments which is what I want to see before we sell in an area which is why we don't just sell anywhere or anything.

Oh and I also put my money where my mouth is.

Regards,
Rob.

This is what people on this forum want to hear the truth and not fairy tails I also have seen alot of people make big money over the last few years.Regarding C.Sauipe you could compare this to Euro Disney im not sure they ever made money but the place is always packed.

[Mineiro]

Originally Posted by robh

Mineiro,

I am sure you have driven in Brazil a lot more than me, and I have driven a hell of a lot in the NE of Brazil so I suppose it is just luck I haven't seen a dead horse or donkey on the road, in fact I don't think I have ever seen a dead horse on the road in any country. I have seen dead people on the road in Cairo (run over by cars because the idiots in Egypt drive without lights at night) but never a horse.

I understand why you ask why Costa do Sauipe isn't doing well, but I honestly don't know at all. Costa do Sauipe is also a very ambitious project which unfortunately if you look at the history of projects of that size they usually take a long time to make money.

Why I chose NE Brazil to sell is because I grew up on the beaches in Australia and used to hang around beach towns like Byron Bay and Noosa when I was a kid which used to be full of hippies and surfers. Now you can't buy there for less than a million. Places like Pipa remind me of what Byron Bay used to be like 20 or 30 years ago.

I have been going to Brazil frequently for the last four years so I have been seeing the changes happening there which because I don't live there are to me much more dramatic than gradual and it is heading in the right direction. During that time I have also seen people making good returns on their investments which is what I want to see before we sell in an area which is why we don't just sell anywhere or anything.

Oh and I also put my money where my mouth is.

Regards,
Rob.

Rob, thanks for the straightforward and honest post. I'm sure there have been a lot of people who have made some very wise investments. I have never been to Pipa but know through the media that it's one of the most fashionable places to holiday in Brazil and has been for sometime, and have thought about going more than once. There are fantastic places to go to in the Northeast as there are throughout Brazil.

Yes Brazil is certainly going in the right direction but as you know it's a long, slow process not helped by the incompetent government. The only thing that I've been wanting to make clear is that making a wise investment isn't as easy as some people on this site would have you believe and that Brazil certainly is far from perfect as some paint it. I think you would agree that there are far better places to invest than others and far better prices to be had than a lot of the developments also shown on this site.
I also believe that it's far easier for someone living in Brazil or who wants to move here permanently to make a wiser and safer investment. The returns also don't just miraculously appear. I would have thought that it's similar to the stock market where you should be thinking long term and not imagining short term gains and that investing in the right property is as important as investing in the right stock. Naturally this requires a lot of homework and not accepting what the first " broker" recommends.

Good luck in Pipa.

[Mineiro]

Originally Posted by Blc

This is what people on this forum want to hear the truth and not fairy tails I also have seen alot of people make big money over the last few years.Regarding C.Sauipe you could compare this to Euro Disney im not sure they ever made money but the place is always packed.

Unfortunately Costa do Sauipe has never been packed. Now go and flog your property in JP.

[debzor]

Surely what every investor here is interested in is his/her perceived difference between Brazil in the past and Brazil in the future.

Sometimes it is a good idea to point out the failings of the past because it can give an indication of problems present. But what the investor is trying to figure is what is going to happen in the future.

Most on this forum, I believe, think that there is a good future here - not perhaps short term, but certainly medium to long term?

[Peim]

Originally Posted by Mineiro

WOW. A newly extended shopping mall. Plenty of good restaurants- good compared to what? Almost no crime rate at least untill the tourists start appearing. I don't think European or American tourists like seeing poverty.

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Those people who do not want to see reality should stay home and not visit Brazil, Turkey or India and the many other countries where poverty is visible. Or do as many Americans do: 8 days Egypt with A&K. Fly business class, get picked-up by air conditioned 5* buses, stay at the Hyatt, and ONLY make escorted excursions. And then tell the folks at home that you have been in AFRICA.

Unfortunately, with the current recession, there will be VERY few places to go to. There are food kitchens in the US, and drug addicts sleeping in parks in the most expensive parks in Switzerland. And in Cape Town, more than 20.000 'disadvantaged' people, living under tin roofs, are overlooking some of the most expensive villas.

Good luck in your choice .....

[Peim]

Originally Posted by International Dreams

Palma Do Mar is a superb site in Paraiba.
The plots of land are on a 5 star site with hotel, swimming pools, bars, restuarants, tennis courts and mini golf. The development is only 1.5km from the sea and in the contract etc it is written in that the developer will build it. I can provide all the information needed for this development. The plots that are left now start at 15,750 Euros for a 350sq/m plot with outline planning for a 3 bed villa with 3x2 private pool. A major hotel chain is taking on the hotel so there are no worries at all on this development.

PLease contact me if i can help you any more, we have everything that an investor could need and the contract and been check by my Uk lawyer and everything is in place. I am that happy with this development that you can reserve a plot for 1,000 Euros and if the lawyer you choice find anything wrong with the contract that we can not sort out we will refund the 1,000 euros back to you straight away

Cheers

I'm interested in buying. Ideally right on the ocean - LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION, remember?
So I have asked local friends to do some research for me on this Palma do Mar project.
Along with 2 other large developments, are selling nearly 1500 plots, with no obligation to sell.
It shouldn't be too difficult to calculate your exit opotunities for the next 5 years.
Carapibus is a dump. Like many other underdeveloped areas along the Brazilian coast. Pipa was a dump 10 years ago, and look at it now: overdeveloped, and expensive. But that is another issue.

I think MINEIRO has a few very valid points, and he appears to know Brazil. Unlike most of the WebVertisers, who just copy the While Label brochure produced by the developer.
Did you notice that that a huge number of these guys do not even have an office in Brazil, but are usually located in Spain?
Even *** is starting a project in Carapibus - I guess they had too many court cases in Europe.

Underdeveloped states such as Paraiba have certain disadvantages. They are usually not offering non-stop international (charter) flights. Shopping centers and large hospitals are only in the big cities, and you'll have to drive to get into European styled discos. But there is still land available, and it is cheap (when you know where to buy).
And what happened to Ibiza and Buzios, 40 years ago, will happen Jacuma and, eventually, to Carapibus.

So, as long as it is available, we'll buy ocean front land.
Ideally with no roads in front.

What I have learned is that you get what you pay for. However nice the sales person is, and whatever they tell you, you can not build a good house for 800 Euros per sqm. Ask anyone who thought they could. When you have bought the solid doors, the kitchen you want and the airco, the garden looks the way you like it, and there's a pool, we're talking EUR 1200-1500.
But, compared to Europe this is still cheap.
And so is the haircut (R$ 5-10) ..........

[Peim]

Originally Posted by International Dreams

Paraiba will be supoerb investment in the next few years, rate as one of the top 4 places to buy in Brazil for investment by Amanda Lamb in the place in the sun magazine.

No dead donkeys by the road side, but i guess its no an investment that you would look at. Where would you recommend then ?

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Who is Amanda Lamp?

[debzor]

Originally Posted by Peim

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Who is Amanda Lamp?

...Amanda Lamb...